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		<title>By: Emilie Barriault</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone,
I am direct descendant of René Plourde from Rivière Ouelle and am presently trying to finish the extensive line of this family.  I just wanted to drop in to say hello to all my distant cousins and would be happy to help with any french translation.  Je suis française.  Best Regards
Emilie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,<br />
I am direct descendant of René Plourde from Rivière Ouelle and am presently trying to finish the extensive line of this family.  I just wanted to drop in to say hello to all my distant cousins and would be happy to help with any french translation.  Je suis française.  Best Regards<br />
Emilie</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Beaulieu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilbert Beaulieu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello John,

Contrary to you I am not surprised there is no painting or illustration of this event as it is practically unknown to the public, the Phipps venture being remembered in history teaching only by Frontenac’s answer to the emissary.

I may already have some photos of the area but will have to check. In any event, i shall stop in Rivière-Ouelle on my next trip down the River sometimes in July probably.

In the mean time, you could contact me at my email address below for future exchanges of info and material on this matter.

By the way, we are close neighbors as I reside in Eastern Townships.

Gilbert Beaulieu
450-293-0247
beaug6@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John,</p>
<p>Contrary to you I am not surprised there is no painting or illustration of this event as it is practically unknown to the public, the Phipps venture being remembered in history teaching only by Frontenac’s answer to the emissary.</p>
<p>I may already have some photos of the area but will have to check. In any event, i shall stop in Rivière-Ouelle on my next trip down the River sometimes in July probably.</p>
<p>In the mean time, you could contact me at my email address below for future exchanges of info and material on this matter.</p>
<p>By the way, we are close neighbors as I reside in Eastern Townships.</p>
<p>Gilbert Beaulieu<br />
450-293-0247<br />
<a href="mailto:beaug6@gmail.com">beaug6@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Pelletier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Pelletier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Gilbert Beaulieu, or better said, Allo cousin,
Thank you so much for responding, but first allow me to make my apologies for the way my comment may of sounded. I wanted so much to delete a part of it because it looked like I was bragging about my blood connection to these brave men of Riviere Ouelle and I really did not want to sound that way at all and I&#039;m still rather red faced about it, so I hope this response corrects my errors. At the time I had just recently found these names on my ancestry tree and I was rather excited and honored that I was even connected to so many of them that my pride may of gotten in the way. Please forgive me my ignorence. I&#039;m usually more level headed than that, Oppps, my bad... Thank you for your insights on my up and coming painting of the battle of Riviere Ouelle, which I think is way over due. I&#039;m surprised that no one has done a painting of this battle as yet. I will take everything you mentioned, and anything else that you care to share, into consideration and use it to make this painting as accurite as possible, in fact, I&#039;ve been searching the internet for pictures of such props to make it look as real and as historically correct as possible and I found quite a few ideas and leads already. I know that the men and boys involved were farmers and that their clothing would of reflected that. As far as Father Francheville deplicted as carrying a rifle in the Casgrain drawing, I found out in some of my research about him that though he was a valid Roman Catholic Priest, a man of the cloth, he was also a man of the woods and he was an avid hunter himself as most probably all of the other men and boys that were there were. And knowing my (our) family in the way that I do, and coming from a very long line of hunters and men of the woods, we are still a family of deer hunters and men of the woods, even to this day, so it would of been a given that all of the men and boys present would of known how to handle hunting rifles, very well, and would of made every shot count as you would do, especially while hunting for white tail deer who can be a very challenging game to put on the table, so every shot would have to count and I&#039;m not surprised that the British soldiers and Sailors were surprised when the guns, all of a sudden, erupted, and that&#039;s probably the way it went down. The men waited to find their targets and then the order was given. I can almost see the scene in my minds eye with all of the gun powder smoke floating out of the woods, the fear and confusion and the wild eyed suprise in the British soldiers eyes... I also know that the battle took place at the point of land that shoots out into the St. Laurent, near the existing camp ground that exist there today, but if I could get some close up pictures of the lay of the land, the rock out cropings, sea weed, types of trees, birds, in the area, etc and how close the land on the other side of the St. Laurent looks like as like the way you so well discribed, that would be awesome!!! So, ya cousin, (I have a lot of Beaulieus in my family tree too), please advise me if you will and with your help and advise, I can make this a master piece and that, is my intent. I plan on donating the painting to an active Quebec historical society in the Riviere Ouelle, La Pocatiere, Kamouraska area when I&#039;m finished, so I may seek some contact info from you for that since you live in Quebec. I currently live in the State of Maine, USA which is right next door so that shouldn&#039;t be a problem, and I still can speak French so, ya, lets keep in touch...  John Pelletier]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Gilbert Beaulieu, or better said, Allo cousin,<br />
Thank you so much for responding, but first allow me to make my apologies for the way my comment may of sounded. I wanted so much to delete a part of it because it looked like I was bragging about my blood connection to these brave men of Riviere Ouelle and I really did not want to sound that way at all and I&#8217;m still rather red faced about it, so I hope this response corrects my errors. At the time I had just recently found these names on my ancestry tree and I was rather excited and honored that I was even connected to so many of them that my pride may of gotten in the way. Please forgive me my ignorence. I&#8217;m usually more level headed than that, Oppps, my bad&#8230; Thank you for your insights on my up and coming painting of the battle of Riviere Ouelle, which I think is way over due. I&#8217;m surprised that no one has done a painting of this battle as yet. I will take everything you mentioned, and anything else that you care to share, into consideration and use it to make this painting as accurite as possible, in fact, I&#8217;ve been searching the internet for pictures of such props to make it look as real and as historically correct as possible and I found quite a few ideas and leads already. I know that the men and boys involved were farmers and that their clothing would of reflected that. As far as Father Francheville deplicted as carrying a rifle in the Casgrain drawing, I found out in some of my research about him that though he was a valid Roman Catholic Priest, a man of the cloth, he was also a man of the woods and he was an avid hunter himself as most probably all of the other men and boys that were there were. And knowing my (our) family in the way that I do, and coming from a very long line of hunters and men of the woods, we are still a family of deer hunters and men of the woods, even to this day, so it would of been a given that all of the men and boys present would of known how to handle hunting rifles, very well, and would of made every shot count as you would do, especially while hunting for white tail deer who can be a very challenging game to put on the table, so every shot would have to count and I&#8217;m not surprised that the British soldiers and Sailors were surprised when the guns, all of a sudden, erupted, and that&#8217;s probably the way it went down. The men waited to find their targets and then the order was given. I can almost see the scene in my minds eye with all of the gun powder smoke floating out of the woods, the fear and confusion and the wild eyed suprise in the British soldiers eyes&#8230; I also know that the battle took place at the point of land that shoots out into the St. Laurent, near the existing camp ground that exist there today, but if I could get some close up pictures of the lay of the land, the rock out cropings, sea weed, types of trees, birds, in the area, etc and how close the land on the other side of the St. Laurent looks like as like the way you so well discribed, that would be awesome!!! So, ya cousin, (I have a lot of Beaulieus in my family tree too), please advise me if you will and with your help and advise, I can make this a master piece and that, is my intent. I plan on donating the painting to an active Quebec historical society in the Riviere Ouelle, La Pocatiere, Kamouraska area when I&#8217;m finished, so I may seek some contact info from you for that since you live in Quebec. I currently live in the State of Maine, USA which is right next door so that shouldn&#8217;t be a problem, and I still can speak French so, ya, lets keep in touch&#8230;  John Pelletier</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Beaulieu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilbert Beaulieu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello John,

I do not know of any other painting or illustration of the Battle of Rivière-Ouelle other than the one in H. R. Casgrain’s book. I went to Rivière-Ouelle and Ste-Anne-de-la-Pocatière quite a few times and never saw anything of the like nor heard anything about such a production.I searched the Quebec archives and did not get any result.

I am positive that, with some research you could gather the proper information to create the scene.

R.-O. is on the south shore of the St. Lawrence River. The river is wide so the north bank appears as a thin line low on the horizon.

At the time of the event, most land concessions were along the St. Lawrence shore, east of the river, extending inland to the heart of the village. There was a road along the river and the houses, barns, etc. were visible from the ships. The shore being rocky, even at high tide, access was minimal. Some concessions were inland on the south of the R.-O. river

The R.O. river, upon reaching the village, is quite wide and runs N.N.W. towards the St. L. River, thus forming a somewhat narrow point of land at the mouth of the river.

R.-O was the first real village so far east on the St. L. River. No doubt that Phipps, following the English troops practice of the times, wanted to destroy it and the others further up on his way to Quebec.

Thus his throwing anchor and sending a few dozen men in row boats to do the job. The surprise he got plus the fact it was early fall made him haul anchor and go direct to Quebec.

Note, for the painting, 
1. Phipps was supposedly leading around 40 to 50 ships, but the difficulty of going up the river against the strong flow and the generally southwest to northeast wind, his line of ships must have been extending many miles.They had been at sea for a few weeks after leaving Port-Royal and he probably saw an opportunity  to give a break to his troops as much as getting free fresh food from the taken cattle, poultry, etc.

So a few ships in the background would set the scene. **These were not as big ships as the ones crossing the ocean. Some research on the internet, at the National Congress Library or the N.Y. Library could give you some designs of the ships of the era.

2. The soldiers were militia men hired for the venture, not wearing the regular army garb but more or less their usual clothing. Same for the sailors. Again a research for the clothing and arms of the period would give you the details needed for the assaillants.

3. Same for the clothing of the R.-O. inhabitants, though most of them would be partially hidden behind rocks or trees. By the way I am not that certain the priest Francheville was owning and holding a gun then as shown in the Casgrain illustration.

4. The scene could show the sailors holding 2-3 rowboats steady with their rows planted in the water, other on their way in, some soldiers already on the shore with others straddling the boats sides or already in the water with the ones on the shore expressing their surprise or turning to scramble back into the boats and a few helping the wounded ones, with maybe a few guns dropped on the ground.

Wouldn’t that make a beautiful painting? ;-)  ;-) ;-)

I think I have illustrations of the inhabitants clothing of the era. I’ll look it up.

Genealogy wise, I am a descendant of Pierre Hudon dit Beaulieu from both his sons Nicolas (direct line) and Jean-Bernard. I have much info on the first Hudon generations and the origin in France.

Let me know if there is anything I may help you with.

Gilbert Beaulieu
beaug6@gmail.com
450-293-0247]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John,</p>
<p>I do not know of any other painting or illustration of the Battle of Rivière-Ouelle other than the one in H. R. Casgrain’s book. I went to Rivière-Ouelle and Ste-Anne-de-la-Pocatière quite a few times and never saw anything of the like nor heard anything about such a production.I searched the Quebec archives and did not get any result.</p>
<p>I am positive that, with some research you could gather the proper information to create the scene.</p>
<p>R.-O. is on the south shore of the St. Lawrence River. The river is wide so the north bank appears as a thin line low on the horizon.</p>
<p>At the time of the event, most land concessions were along the St. Lawrence shore, east of the river, extending inland to the heart of the village. There was a road along the river and the houses, barns, etc. were visible from the ships. The shore being rocky, even at high tide, access was minimal. Some concessions were inland on the south of the R.-O. river</p>
<p>The R.O. river, upon reaching the village, is quite wide and runs N.N.W. towards the St. L. River, thus forming a somewhat narrow point of land at the mouth of the river.</p>
<p>R.-O was the first real village so far east on the St. L. River. No doubt that Phipps, following the English troops practice of the times, wanted to destroy it and the others further up on his way to Quebec.</p>
<p>Thus his throwing anchor and sending a few dozen men in row boats to do the job. The surprise he got plus the fact it was early fall made him haul anchor and go direct to Quebec.</p>
<p>Note, for the painting,<br />
1. Phipps was supposedly leading around 40 to 50 ships, but the difficulty of going up the river against the strong flow and the generally southwest to northeast wind, his line of ships must have been extending many miles.They had been at sea for a few weeks after leaving Port-Royal and he probably saw an opportunity  to give a break to his troops as much as getting free fresh food from the taken cattle, poultry, etc.</p>
<p>So a few ships in the background would set the scene. **These were not as big ships as the ones crossing the ocean. Some research on the internet, at the National Congress Library or the N.Y. Library could give you some designs of the ships of the era.</p>
<p>2. The soldiers were militia men hired for the venture, not wearing the regular army garb but more or less their usual clothing. Same for the sailors. Again a research for the clothing and arms of the period would give you the details needed for the assaillants.</p>
<p>3. Same for the clothing of the R.-O. inhabitants, though most of them would be partially hidden behind rocks or trees. By the way I am not that certain the priest Francheville was owning and holding a gun then as shown in the Casgrain illustration.</p>
<p>4. The scene could show the sailors holding 2-3 rowboats steady with their rows planted in the water, other on their way in, some soldiers already on the shore with others straddling the boats sides or already in the water with the ones on the shore expressing their surprise or turning to scramble back into the boats and a few helping the wounded ones, with maybe a few guns dropped on the ground.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t that make a beautiful painting? <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think I have illustrations of the inhabitants clothing of the era. I’ll look it up.</p>
<p>Genealogy wise, I am a descendant of Pierre Hudon dit Beaulieu from both his sons Nicolas (direct line) and Jean-Bernard. I have much info on the first Hudon generations and the origin in France.</p>
<p>Let me know if there is anything I may help you with.</p>
<p>Gilbert Beaulieu<br />
<a href="mailto:beaug6@gmail.com">beaug6@gmail.com</a><br />
450-293-0247</p>
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		<title>By: John Pelletier</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,
I just stumbled on your site while looking up info for my genealogy tree and after doing some &quot;painstaking&quot; and extensive research,and translating many old, hard to read, French documents, I discovered that I was direct blood related to 21 of the 40 men, and boys involved on that 1690 October day in Riviere Ouelle. I know this may sound strange, it surely blew me away when I discovered it, but it&#039;s true, and what&#039;s even more amazing, I can proove it. Here are the names of my ancestors that were involved on that historic day, Robert Levesque, Pierre Hudon, Galleran Boucher and his two sons, Pierre and Philippe, Michel Bouchard, and his three sons, Etienne, Francois and Pierre, Pierre Dancosse, Rene&#039; Ouellet, and his four sons, Abraham, Mathurin-Rene&#039;, Gregoire and Joseph, Jean Pelletier, and his son, Jean-Baptiste, Jean Mignot-dit-Labrie, Noel Pelletier and Francois Autin... I would not be here as I am if the Battle had gone the other way. Ok, here is my question, without actually going to the actual site of where this battle occured, would anyone have any pictures, or have access to paintings of this site? I&#039;m an artist and I want very much to do a painting of this battle scene... Sincerely, John R. Pelletier, Jonesport, Maine, USA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I just stumbled on your site while looking up info for my genealogy tree and after doing some &#8220;painstaking&#8221; and extensive research,and translating many old, hard to read, French documents, I discovered that I was direct blood related to 21 of the 40 men, and boys involved on that 1690 October day in Riviere Ouelle. I know this may sound strange, it surely blew me away when I discovered it, but it&#8217;s true, and what&#8217;s even more amazing, I can proove it. Here are the names of my ancestors that were involved on that historic day, Robert Levesque, Pierre Hudon, Galleran Boucher and his two sons, Pierre and Philippe, Michel Bouchard, and his three sons, Etienne, Francois and Pierre, Pierre Dancosse, Rene&#8217; Ouellet, and his four sons, Abraham, Mathurin-Rene&#8217;, Gregoire and Joseph, Jean Pelletier, and his son, Jean-Baptiste, Jean Mignot-dit-Labrie, Noel Pelletier and Francois Autin&#8230; I would not be here as I am if the Battle had gone the other way. Ok, here is my question, without actually going to the actual site of where this battle occured, would anyone have any pictures, or have access to paintings of this site? I&#8217;m an artist and I want very much to do a painting of this battle scene&#8230; Sincerely, John R. Pelletier, Jonesport, Maine, USA</p>
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